B"word" on fishing ecomny..

[PetriW]

Originally posted by Kutch
Edit: To add something new, idea for SE:

if a player is repeatedly doing the same task for hours:

1) Spawn a "Mooglepolice"
2) Have mooglePolice ask player a simple question that he is without doubt able to answer, such as "how much is 2 + 2"
3) Ensure that there are a wide variety of these questions available, so that a bot cannot answer them
4) auto-disconnect the user if he cannot answer 2/3 questions within oh, say 15 minutes
5) Tag the player as suspicious

That should help us get rid of 99% of all bots, without too much coding effort from SE's side

Nope, they're already doing stuff like this but it's not working. Why? They do it once and botters learn how to avoid it. The worst botters that most people notice are the sarutabaruta ones and they reply to GMs! Yes that's right, they may ignore you but when a GM checks in on them they detect it, alert the one running the bot and that person replies.

[ibroyles]

Off topic, but LOL at the pic of the testimonial in your sig PetriW. I've never seen the item description for that before.

[FFXI-FREAK96]

Dude Seriously i got something to say.

STOP BITCHING!!!!!

Its Not Hurting you What so ever so Suck up Whiny Bitches

[Omena]

Originally posted by FFXI-FREAK96
Dude Seriously i got something to say.

STOP BITCHING!!!!!

Its Not Hurting you What so ever so Suck up Whiny Bitches

If you actually read the thread or used your brain you'd know that fish bots bring more gil into the system, which causes inflation, which means gil is less worth every day.

Oh and about fish bots being nice because they make a tedious task easy. I think it's pretty tedious even with a bot. I mean you have to wait for a long time for the bot to bring in the gil you need. Why can't we just hack the game so we could have as much gil as we wanted? Man this game sucks!

[Kutch]

Originally posted by FFXI-FREAK96
Dude Seriously i got something to say.

STOP BITCHING!!!!!

Its Not Hurting you What so ever so Suck up Whiny Bitches

Botting gives you an unfair advantage over anyone who does not cheat. It gives you an advantage of skill, or Gil (depending on what you have set up as a bot), resulting in either of:

1) You can buy stuff at insane prices, because you have more money as a result of botting (inflation)

2) you stand at an advantage beacuse your skill is higher than anyone else who are doing this at a normal rate, thus granting you an unfair, and unfair advantage.

So, risking being banned:

Fuck off, you tard. The only result of botting is making the game less fun for everyone who actually enjoys the game.

[CloudFFVII]

The Ignorance in this thread astonishes me, not only are 90 percent of the people here not backing any good reason to not stop complaining about botting the opinions here are also very hypocrytical and repetative. There are perfectly legit reasons to run a bot in moderation. You all sit here and say the same thing it screws up economics blah blah, botting is another form of making money it will all go into your pockets anyways. Several examples are as follows.

Ex. I pay for the game I will play it my way, why should I listen to you on how you tell me how I should play my game which I pay my 12.95 a month for.

Ex2. I am sitting at my PC, why not run a bot while chatting with others, the majority of botter you all complain about are those and not the ones whom are standing next to you talking.

Botters are the only reason that a majority of prices are falling and many spells and pieces of armor are actually becomming affordable for the masses to play. Is it possible to abuse the ability to bot, yes when it prevents YOU from doing something directly related to the game. IE the NM bots are unfair and unjust and prevent a multitude of people from aquiring certain items in the game. A Fishing bot keeps things related to one character thus not not preventing you from getting from point A to Point B.

What is the difference between botting and downloading a MP3, Movie or Game online, there is no difference both against the rules but because you either A dont know how to do it or B dont care to do it, you cry wolf. How many of you have burned CDs, or have legal Microsoft operating systems on your PC's, i will guess not even 5% of you. And dont say you run Linux because FFXI will not run on that OS. How many have never taken a pencil from school, or a piece of paper from someone, or returned the $10.00 bill you found on the floor last week to the person who dropped it.

The issues I listed may be not related to the game but both along the same principals, so before you sit there and chant BAN BAN BAN think of all the things you have done wrong, or differently for that matter and figure out if it is remotly related to you. I also know that after posting this i will be massly accused of botting myself, but thats all right, I say prove it my logs will show differently.

Also as an FYI, the POL user agreement states that macroing UNATTENDED is against the POL user agreement, not that botting itself is against the rules.

[Tighfield]

Mo' money, mo' problems!

I used to fish with some buds months ago & I have never fished next to some dude & was like "Hey, he's casting at the exact time the /fish command is ready". I don't even pay attention to other fishers, I don't even care. If you all that are complaining want to make the game have more restrictions, go right ahead! It'll give you all something to b**** about. Example: Asheron's Call. People complain about Life Draining during PvP & guess what, they nerfed it. Now all those campers who used to drain Lugians or Tuskers now can't do it without dying. All cuz some people just had to complain. Come on people, don't ruin this good game. Enjoy it.

[PetriW]

I suspect the main reason people whine about bots is their own failure to obtain gil and the frustration of spending hours on hours farming gil in an unefficient manner.

[Omena]

I'm not against bot programs themselves, but the way people use them. A person should not be able to advance his character in any way if he doesn't have immediate access to his computer.

If you really like playing a game where you're not really playing, go download Progress Quest. You'll never ever have to do anything tedious such as farming or exp grinding to improve your character. Just sit back and enjoy.

[Mikeb]

I'm not a fan of botters, IMO they should be banned (and they are if caught). Some of the bots out there logout if you /check the player or /tell them. It's always fun to run around checking and /tell ing all the fishers, seeing which ones are actually people, and which ones are bots (they'll logout). There is alot of ignorance in this thread though.

Many high level fishers actually have got there legit, just because you don't enjoy fishing doesn't mean someone else doesn't (as has been said, you can read, study, chat, etc... at the same time). Also, why do people fish in real life? You get even less catches than in FFXI...

[Kutch]

Originally posted by CloudFFVII

How many of you have burned CDs, or have legal Microsoft operating systems on your PC's, i will guess not even 5% of you. And dont say you run Linux because FFXI will not run on that OS. How many have never taken a pencil from school, or a piece of paper from someone, or returned the $10.00 bill you found on the floor last week to the person who dropped it.

The issues I listed may be not related to the game but both along the same principals, so before you sit there and chant BAN BAN BAN think of all the things you have done wrong

All those things are illegal, and, when caught, you are either fined, slammed in Jail, or whatever reaction. Does botting warrant jail or fines? No. Does it warrant expulsion from the game? Yes.

Botters DO affect others. Perhaps you're unaware that there is a limit of fish to be caught each day? Not that it's going to affect too many areas, but still a valid point - make botting legal, and you will quickly notice that there is no fish to be caught in popular areas..

Also consider that because of botters, you have allready ruined half the pleasure it was doing fishing because SE has implemented anti-bot code into the game that forces you to change areas every odd hour. Unconfirmed rumors also state that you are turned randomly at odd occasions, not that I've ever experienced that. I've stated before that this is a LAZY approach from SE. Instead, they should've tracked down bots, and banned their accounts actively.

So, because of frickin bots, my 90Gil fishing enhancement is lessened - even thoguh it lasts me a couple of hours, I still loose valueble fishing time because I have to swap areas if I want to keep catching fish.

I'm not sour because bots make more Gil than I (Even though it annoys me that they skyrocket prices due to their ability to bid more for items), I'm sour because of the swapping of areas. That's my main reason for being pissed off at all you prepubescent pissants who can't play a game without cheating.

[PetriW]

Originally posted by Kutch
Botters DO affect others. Perhaps you're unaware that there is a limit of fish to be caught each day? Not that it's going to affect too many areas, but still a valid point - make botting legal, and you will quickly notice that there is no fish to be caught in popular areas..

Must say I never noticed anything like this even when fishing in the most fisher heavy place there is: Rabao.

Originally posted by Kutch
Also consider that because of botters, you have allready ruined half the pleasure it was doing fishing because SE has implemented anti-bot code into the game that forces you to change areas every odd hour. Unconfirmed rumors also state that you are turned randomly at odd occasions, not that I've ever experienced that. I've stated before that this is a LAZY approach from SE. Instead, they should've tracked down bots, and banned their accounts actively.

Automatic turning is a location specific bug, it's not a feature. Try fish in the waterways in Batok and it'll prolly happen to you. As for changing areas, what's the big deal? That nails all the stupid newbies trying to bot fish cause they heard they'd get enormous amounts of gil before they need to be banned, it's a very good fix and for us who know that we have to zone it's np as long as we are smart about where we fish. Rabao again as example, just warp to your HP, in Rabao. Tada, fishing back to normal. Most fishing locations has a zoneline close by, what's he big deal about losing 2-3 minutes an hour on zoning?

[CloudFFVII]

Originally posted by Kutch
All those things are illegal, and, when caught, you are either fined, slammed in Jail, or whatever reaction. Does botting warrant jail or fines? No. Does it warrant expulsion from the game? Yes.

Botters DO affect others. Perhaps you're unaware that there is a limit of fish to be caught each day? Not that it's going to affect too many areas, but still a valid point - make botting legal, and you will quickly notice that there is no fish to be caught in popular areas..

Also consider that because of botters, you have allready ruined half the pleasure it was doing fishing because SE has implemented anti-bot code into the game that forces you to change areas every odd hour. Unconfirmed rumors also state that you are turned randomly at odd occasions, not that I've ever experienced that. I've stated before that this is a LAZY approach from SE. Instead, they should've tracked down bots, and banned their accounts actively.

So, because of frickin bots, my 90Gil fishing enhancement is lessened - even thoguh it lasts me a couple of hours, I still loose valueble fishing time because I have to swap areas if I want to keep catching fish.

I'm not sour because bots make more Gil than I (Even though it annoys me that they skyrocket prices due to their ability to bid more for items), I'm sour because of the swapping of areas. That's my main reason for being pissed off at all you prepubescent pissants who can't play a game without cheating.

Once again a person does not fully read and totally recycles the same melodramatic BS on my computer screen. In case you havent noticed since the PC release of the FFXI Prices at least on my server have depreciated. Examples....

Erase -- Was 400k at one point down to 300k
Phalanx -- Was 300k at one point down to 170k
Astrial Rings -- was 500k down to 150k
Moat Carp -- was 3k now upto 4k

If you noticed people are dropping the prices because supply is up not because the botters are cheating. If you look at the examples i gave show me how fishing is affecting those. The prices on any given FFXI server is determined by supply and demand.

Moat Carp is up because people are getting them for Lu Shangs Rod Some are selling to make a profit, but most are buyin to get the good rod. So this about it before you recycle the same incandesent BS down my throat again.

[Kutch]

*Sigh*
If you can't beat'em, join'em..

Lets just ask SE to not only make botting legal, but also to ease the process by:

1) allowing alt-tab to ease 3d party application integration
2) Creating conditional macros (if - then - else)
3) create /autoexp - automatic fighting (style depending on jobs)
4) Automatic purchase and sell ability. Make your toons buy/sell

This way, we can all just log on to the game, and go out and play soccer. MUCH better, thankyouverymuch.

[Omena]

Originally posted by CloudFFVII
Once again a person does not fully read and totally recycles the same melodramatic BS on my computer screen. In case you havent noticed since the PC release of the FFXI Prices at least on my server have depreciated. Examples....

Erase -- Was 400k at one point down to 300k
Phalanx -- Was 300k at one point down to 170k
Astrial Rings -- was 500k down to 150k
Moat Carp -- was 3k now upto 4k

If you noticed people are dropping the prices because supply is up not because the botters are cheating. If you look at the examples i gave show me how fishing is affecting those. The prices on any given FFXI server is determined by supply and demand.

Moat Carp is up because people are getting them for Lu Shangs Rod Some are selling to make a profit, but most are buyin to get the good rod. So this about it before you recycle the same incandesent BS down my throat again.

On Midgardsormr:

Sniper Ring -- Was 180k at one point up to 500k
Leaping Boots -- Was 200k at one point up to 300k
Emperor Hairpin -- Was 230k at one point up to 400k

I don't follow the prices of caster equipment or spells, so I can't
comment on those.

I'm not saying botters are behind this, but there are clear signs of inflation, which is a problem because more gil enters the system than leaves it.