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[neighbortaru]

Originally posted by Mithrael

As to the bone rings, it is probably an upgrade as well. Take a look at tanning recipes... they almost all require some previous item to create them, that doesn't mean the Cuir Bouilli is a HQ Leather Vest... However, when you have sufficient skill in your craft, decomposition synthesis is often cheaper than buying raw materials. For example... Lightning Crystal + leather headband = 1, 2, or 3 Squares of Sheep's Leather. Since leather headband goes for 200 gil at times at ah, it's a lot cheaper to break down the headband than to buy a square of sheep's leather for 500 gil from the AH.

Ah yes, decomposition. forgot about this one.

[tomc1988t]

ok i appologize mithreal and imac2much....i got a lil confused ='( and i was wrong..but in my defense upgraded items are of higher quality then their other forms ^_^.....



i was wrong sorry =(

[DrMrLordX]

I have problems with excess HQ synths when making iron ingots from ore. I keep winding up with steel(dammit). And, yet, goblin synths are still problematic. I get a lot of failures, even at 58 skill, with adv image support, on lightningsday. Mostly it's just loss-of-crystal, but I still lose helms and mail in significant amounts.

It's really annoying.

I can't really think of any good equipment to break down for iron, either. Maybe baghnaks, they sell pretty cheap . . .

[Mithrael]

some days i break 2 out of every 3 goblin masks i try to break down -.-

this is very annoying when i was successful doing it when my tanning skill was in the 0-10 range... none-the-less, it's still usually cheaper for me to blow up a bunch of masks than it is to buy a stack of sheep leather from ah for 8500 gil. i rarely use sheep anymore anyway

[Trell]

I was going to post a new thread on what happened to me yesterday to see if someone could shed light on the probability of HQ synths, but I'm glad I found this thread

Basically, what I experienced mirrors what Imac and Mithrael have said. However, I would just want one thing cleared up.

It was on Lightsday at 98% Moon phase (decrescent). I was at lvl 20 in Alchemy and was trying to extract Glass Fiber from Goblin masks with Lightning Crystals. I failed every single synth, while still getting skill, but as soon as I hit 21, I started getting HQs (4 or 6 loops instead of 2). Either I was getting an HQ synth, or I was failing. I got 13 failures and 5 HQs. I've come to these conclusions:

- Considering the fact that it takes level 20 to do the extraction successfully, it confirms that to get an HQ synth, you need to be at least 1 level above the requiered skill for the synthesis in question.

- On Lightsday (in particular?), the closer you get to Fullmoon the harder synthesis becomes, but the chance of getting HQ synths when you do succeed rises dramatically.

I say "the closer you get to" instead of simply "In the full moon phase" because I tried again this morning in the Wanning Gibbous phase (83%) on Lightningsday. It was still hard, but contrarely to when it was the fullmoon, I was able to pull off a few normal synths (2 loops). However, I still got 2 HQs, which means it doesn't have to be during the full moon but close enough to it. I get the feeling that your results depend alot more on the moon phase than the day you synth on. I know that your skill level also has alot to do with the HQ synth rate, but I'm hardly high enough for it to be a real factor.

Does my analisys seem correct? Confirmation and/or rebuttals are welcome.

JR.

[obsidian]

This is just a guess, but can't you break down a bone ring into bone chips with a lightning crystal? If that's true he was doing it because it was cheaper than buying the chips.

[DrMrLordX]

It should be noted that desynthesis seems to follow different rules when it comes to HQs. The only constant there is that higher skill usually means a better chance for HQs.

When I am breaking down quadav backplates, for example, I get my best results on darksday, even though that day is normally awful for HQs of any sort.

[Kalgareth]

You do not have to have your skill level above the "cap" level to receive a HQ.

When I was making Iron Masks from 25-30 Smithing I made three "+1 Iron Masks". Granted the percentage was very low seeing as how I made almost 70 masks but it is still possible.

Also, Lightning Crystals and the results they give are a completely different ballgame from normal Synthesis. I "think" that there may be an across the board 30% or so failure rate on any given synth involving breaking something down with a lightning crystal. My "data" is fairly extensive regarding this subject, so take my word for it, this stuff is not a walk in the park. HQ1 and HQ2 rates from Goblin items and their like do not give an accurate "base" to enable us to make a comparison with other synths.

I haven't done enough experimenting yet but I am beginning to think that Lightsday may not be the "prime" HQ day that everyone seems to think it is.