Lu Shangs Fisihg Rod

[PetriW]

Originally posted by keflex
That's why you use the skillup chart in conjunction w/ the Osakana database to cross-reference what fish you need to catch for skill-ups, and if those fish are actually w/in a reasonable distance.

Of course, that's how I find new spots but for example fishing Pipira you can go to most spots where they are available and fishing will REALLY suck. Faster to just skillup on for example Tricolored. And yeah, I travel, actually for Moat Carp I travel between Windurst and Bastok depending on where the moon is (some parts windurst sucks, Zeruhn doesn't but also has slower catches than windurst at peak hours). Soon I think I'll try out the carp fishing in Jugner Forest lake.

[PetriW]

3 days = ~ 3 x 24 hours to begin with, spent over 5 different days.
No responsibilities other than the maths I studied while fishing and the occasional cooking and showers.
Always using Advanced Image.

Two new moons spent in WWaters, very rare that nothing bites. Lots of gold carps and almost no rusty.
Lots of time spent in Zeruhn, get a bite on almost every throw (I'm surprised when I see a no catch and move on the bridge whenever it happens). Close to half result in a fish of which maybe 4/5 are moat carp and the rest tricolored (have NOT counted, just a feeling), I sell tricolored to the guild. Rusty items are uncommon.
Finally maybe one 5th of the time spent fishing in WWoods, which has very good bites and it feels like I catch more gold carp here than I do in WWaters.

For some reason it feels like I catch more when alternating between wwoods and zeruhn, staying in one area too long seems to make you get less bites and more rusty on those bites. I ususally switch every time advanced image wears off.

I know no good log analyzer to say exact catch ratios and of what type but if you have one I'd love to use it too! :D I've been thinking about writing one myself just because exact numbers would be so nice to have. Logs don't look fun to figure out though.
I don't know your skill but I noticed a huge increase in gold carp catches around 33-34 skill. (+4 from gear and adv image of course)

HP was set in Port Jueno, keep track of when airship leaves by the Vana'diel timer, takes very little time to travel to either bastok or windurst (Airship takes 3-5 minutes plus time to run from the dock).

As for Lu Shang being hard to get, oh you are right. With my current pace it would take close to 2 months (and that won't happen), or 3+ months for someone fishing 8 hours a day. Whoever drags up all the moat carp for a lu shang on his own (without buying on AH) must be nuts. Seems I get about 1 skillpoint every 12 hours on average though so gold carps should become more plentiful at least, but then again I bet that the next skillpoint will slow down (like I've done since like 30).

With your skill it takes right at an average of 35 seconds to catch a fish and recast your line, not adding in the factors of making bait and sorting your inventory, and deleting rusty items, and chatting with friends, traveling around, and all the little other tidbits that make up extra time.

My macro looks like this:
/equip "ammo" "Insect Ball"
/wait 11
/fish
Those 11 seconds is enough for rusty items and inventory sorting, since you only need to drag up fish and activate macro you usually have 20+ seconds for tells too, according to your average close to 30 seconds. I usually split my tells in two if I need to drag up a fish.
Making bait is also done between fishing rounds, lose some seconds (picking and combining takes over 11 seconds) but that's not many.

Sorry for making you write such a long post in reply to something I should have expressed more clearly. Just an old habit.

[PetriW]

Oh and as for 47.5/hour... I want to see whoever gets that with ~30 skill.
To me it seems WWaters during new moon bring in slightly over 30 moat carps an hour, haven't counted gold carp, I just sell them when I refresh adv image.

[Aniedi]

If you are rich and want a lu shangs, you buy moat carp.

Its why a newbie like me can sell moat carp for 4,000 gil a stack, on Odin server in windurst. They sell in about 3 minutes, if I put them up during japanese prime times (which happens to be when i can play usually, so it works out )

As the other poster says, you get 1,000,000 turning them in yourself for the quest. So figure if you pay 4,000 per stack of 12 moat carp, you paid around 3,336,000. So essentially a lu shang's rod costs 2,336,000 (when you figure in what you get back from the quest per moat carp.)

But its assumed that you'll be catching moat carp yourself sometimes as well, so it may not cost that much.

I've seen single fish, or stacks of certain fish, which are priced higher than 4,000 gil comparitively. However, they never sell anywhere near as fast as a stack of moat carp. So for immediate cash nothing really beats it. Its just too bad using a sabiki, which can catch up to 3 fish, doesn't work for moat carp fishing

All in all, I think this is pretty fun MMORPG design. It works out in several nice ways. For example, by the time you'd be getting the Lu Shang's you could easily have the craft skills up high enough repair it yourself. This will mean, even if it breaks once in a blue moon, you'll never have problems.

I find I get the best bang for my buck, at lower levels, fishing with the composite rod. I've never had this break once, but if I do the price of a broken one is often MORE at the auction house than buying an UNBROKEN one, so a replacement would be no problem.

[shwiggy]

Messing around with 36 fishing I can already see that Lu Shang would make rediculous money due to the fact that it'll catch small fish without busting...kinda glad the quest is so long and drawn out ;p

Ya I wouldn't mess around too much until you could repair it yourself.

[PetriW]

11 seconds isnt feasable, after catching a fish even at 40 fishing skill which is higher than yours, it takes aproximately 17 seconds after hitting the ENTER key to refish, and the maximum fishing time without a bite is 38 seconds, so take half of that its pretty close to 35 seconds per attempt, which like i said isnt counting any other factors.

You're basing the time of how long it would take for a 3rd party script. You can't run a FFXI macro before the compass shows again, I simply hold down R1 and when the compass shows again press X and a /wait 11 works perfect, /wait 10 will give a can't fish yet message quite often.

Messing around with 36 fishing I can already see that Lu Shang would make rediculous money due to the fact that it'll catch small fish without busting...kinda glad the quest is so long and drawn out ;p

I started working on a Lu Shang at 25 fishing skill, now 1690 moat carps later (many bought) I'm at 37 skill and I'm fully convinced I'll have 56 before I am even close to 10000 moat carps.
Main reason I started the quest was I figured "Hey, I might as well fish a bit longer and turn in the fish, I know I want the Lu Shang". If I need money to buy something I just won't buy carps for a while, gold carps plus quest returns is actually quite a lot of gil still.

[PetriW]

Not based on a third party script, its based on what my stop watch says.

I however do not see a need to know how long that period is so the /wait 11 I use in my macro does just fine. 35 seconds might be correct and it might not, I never disputed that and I never checked it either.

I don't see what you're trying to prove cs001x. Trying to say I'm wrong about /wait 11 in a macro is umm... weird...

Edit: Rephrased. :sweat:

Oh and as for macros, I assume it's the same person?
http://www.google.com/search?q=cs001x

[cs001x]

Maybe

And I assume this is you, Shina of Ragnarok?

http://xunleashed.dyndns.org:81/foru...isplay&id=8414

[PetriW]

You wish

You're welcome to send a GM my way to see if I'm using script too.

What's the deal with deleting your own posts btw? Can't stand for what you post?

[cs001x]

Hehe

One time about 3 weeks ago I was in Windhurst and saw two players in lvl 1 newb gear with Mog's Master titles fishing side by side. Sent them both a tell and about 15 seconds later they both autofollowed an NPC, ran to the next zone, autofollowed an npc there, and then ran to their fishing spots. Did it again and they did the same thing and went back to the other zone. Did it like 10 times cause it was so funny and others were watching. A GM sent me a tell out of the blue complimenting the player on his Macroing ability and stated that they were Japanese players, and that there was nothing they could do about it. He said that they really cant be stopped but that they are activly seeking ways to stop people from being able to macro fish. Couple days ago I walk by and their still there both of them, fishing away. Even worse I have heard many, many stories of outraged players that say GM's tell them to not report such actions and that the servers have algorythms that monitor those kinds of actions. But I'm sure you know how to get around those server anti-fish algorythms don't you? I mean 1140 moat carp in 3 days, oh wait 5 days... no maybe you will say 9 days next time.

So macro fish all you want PetriW, Shina of Ragnarok. The GM's won't even care, or even bother to check you if your reported. And keep up that bragging about how many fish you have caught, while others struggle thinking their doing something wrong.

[PetriW]

Heh, I wonder often enough myself if I'm doing something wrong, always seems like others get more skill and more fish than I do.

Remember, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

[PetriW]

But I'm sure you know how to get around those server anti-fish algorythms don't you?

Moving around seems to be the best way to me. This morning during new moon fishing was AWFUL in my usual spots in both WWaters and WWoods, so I moved to a spot I never fished at before and got a decent amount of bites.

[Trell]

What am I missing here?

When you say "Macroing fishing", do you mean using the macro commands such as /wait and /fish in the game's macro editor? Something like:

/wait 11
/fish

Correct? Is there something the GMs don't like about using such a macro? I would hope not, since it helps you avoid having to mash the fish button constantly and get a bunch of "you can't fish now" messages.

I get the feeling you two are talking about something quite a bit more... under-handed...

JR.